From bernhard at intevation.de  Thu Oct  2 10:26:17 2008
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:26:17 +0200
Subject: [Gpg4win-users-en] Gpg4win2 Ready?
Message-ID: <200810021026.18160.bernhard@intevation.de>

Dear Gpg4win-Users,

as you know from the announcement list, we are developing Gpg4win Version 2.
Current is 1.9.7beta and there will probably be a few more betas and possibly 
one or more release candidates before a 2.0 release.

If you have substaintial problems with 1.1.3, it is helpful if you can try one 
of the betas or release candidates in a test environment and see if the 
problem is resolved or different.

1.9.7beta is not officially ready for production yet, so you will need to 
decide if it is up to your usage needs and take the responsbility.
The crypto backend itself should be fine, so this is mainly about usability.

We love to get some reports from unhappy and happy users. :)
(Best on this or another public list.)

Bernhard

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From waider at waider.ie  Thu Oct  2 12:21:13 2008
From: waider at waider.ie (Ronan Waide)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:21:13 +0100 (IST)
Subject: [Gpg4win-users-en] Gpg4win-users-en Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.19.1222941608.25061.gpg4win-users-en@wald.intevation.org>
References: <mailman.19.1222941608.25061.gpg4win-users-en@wald.intevation.org>
Message-ID: <25407.87.238.80.64.1222942873.squirrel@www.waider.ie>


On Thu, October 2, 2008 11:00,
gpg4win-users-en-request at wald.intevation.org wrote:
> If you have substaintial problems with 1.1.3, it is helpful if you can try
> one
> of the betas or release candidates in a test environment and see if the
> problem is resolved or different.

So far I've been completely unable to use any of the 1.9.x betas. I have
1.1.3 installed at present, and the only major issue I have with it is
that it seems to ignore my default key setting, presenting me with a list
of the two keys I have with the "wrong" key as default. I have removed, as
best I can, all traces of the 1.1.3 installs when testing the betas, but
in every case the mail client simply fails to do anything when I try to
send email. The cleopatra self-test runs fine, the keys work perfectly
well in 1.1.3, so I'm really not clear on why this fails.

I'm using Outlook 2007 (12.0.6316.5000) SP1 MSO (12.0.6320.5000)

Cheers,
Waider.
-- 
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From bvamundsen at comcast.net  Fri Oct  3 20:05:57 2008
From: bvamundsen at comcast.net (Brian Amundsen)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:05:57 -0500
Subject: [Gpg4win-users-en] Gpg4win2 Ready?
Message-ID: <20081003130557.00004b97@unknown>

I've been using 1.1.3 for about 60 days. I switched after I found
significant issues with Thunderbird not was handling my messages in
folders correctly.  I'm not having any issues with GPG, although I
don't use encryption that often because many recipients don't know how
to handle the messages, nor have the application to either.   I do have
some issues with Claws-mail version packaged with 1.1.3 which is only
3.0.0RC2. It would be nice if I could update individual parts or if
the team would at least update 1.1.3 with a later version of
Claws-mail. 

There are a couple of oddities that I noticed with the
teams implementation of Claws-mail.  First the application data is
storing in the default WinNT folder structure,

i.e. C:/Documents and Setting/<username>/Application
Data/Claws-mail/

which seems logical and appropriate.   
BUT the actual messages are storing under MH folder names in 

C:/Documents and Setting/<username>/Application Data/<default account name MH> 

with all folders and subfolders.  But the designation of 
additional accounts are stored at 

C:\Documents and Settings\<username>\Application
Data\Claws-Mail\Mailboxes\<account 1, 2, 3, etc>

I would have expected to find the message data in the 

C:\Documents and Settings\<username>\Application
Data\Claws-mail\Mailboxes\<account default, 2, 3, 4, etc>

All I can think of is that the MH folders are at a higher level than
the application data, inorder for other MH applications to access them
without having to dig down in to the Claws-mail application folder.
Can anyone on the team verify this odd structure?  Is there a way to
change the message data storage point?  I've checked my registry and
can not find any claws-mail application pointers are values
(interesting).

Maybe there are pointers in the registry that should be added for to
allow claws-mail to be the default mail program which Ggp4win version 2
needs to add.  All this in the hope that more Windows users are
converting their applications to open source and moving away from
Microsoft closed source.

Thanks, Brian A

From bernhard at intevation.de  Mon Oct  6 12:01:57 2008
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:01:57 +0200
Subject: [Gpg4win-users-en] 1.9.xbeta problems (was: Gpg4win-users-en Digest,
	Vol 29, Issue 1)
In-Reply-To: <25407.87.238.80.64.1222942873.squirrel@www.waider.ie>
References: <mailman.19.1222941608.25061.gpg4win-users-en@wald.intevation.org>
	<25407.87.238.80.64.1222942873.squirrel@www.waider.ie>
Message-ID: <200810061202.01006.bernhard@intevation.de>

Dear Waider,

On Donnerstag, 2. Oktober 2008, Ronan Waide wrote:
> On Thu, October 2, 2008 11:00,
> gpg4win-users-en-request at wald.intevation.org wrote:
> > If you have substaintial problems with 1.1.3, it is helpful if you can
> > try one
> > of the betas or release candidates in a test environment and see if the
> > problem is resolved or different.
>
> So far I've been completely unable to use any of the 1.9.x betas. 

okay, let's see if we can produce a good problem report for developers.
Naturally we want Gpg4win 2.0 to be very usable.

> I have removed, as
> best I can, all traces of the 1.1.3 installs when testing the betas, but
> in every case the mail client simply fails to do anything when I try to
> send email. The cleopatra self-test runs fine, the keys work perfectly
> well in 1.1.3, so I'm really not clear on why this fails.

Did you see http://www.gpg4win.de/reporting-bugs.html ?
Next step is to try to see why GPGOl fails.
You should see about the gpgol Debug log.

> I'm using Outlook 2007 (12.0.6316.5000) SP1 MSO (12.0.6320.5000)

Which operating system version?

Bernhard

-- 
Managing Director - Owner: www.intevation.net      (Free Software Company)
Germany Coordinator: fsfeurope.org. Coordinator: www.Kolab-Konsortium.com.
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From bernhard at intevation.de  Mon Oct  6 12:22:39 2008
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:22:39 +0200
Subject: [Gpg4win-users-en] Gpg4win2 Ready?
In-Reply-To: <20081003130557.00004b97@unknown>
References: <20081003130557.00004b97@unknown>
Message-ID: <200810061222.43360.bernhard@intevation.de>

Brian,

thanks for the feedback!

On Freitag, 3. Oktober 2008, Brian Amundsen wrote:
> I've been using 1.1.3 for about 60 days. I switched after I found
> significant issues with Thunderbird not was handling my messages in
> folders correctly.  I'm not having any issues with GPG, although I
> don't use encryption that often because many recipients don't know how
> to handle the messages, nor have the application to either.   I do have
> some issues with Claws-mail version packaged with 1.1.3 which is only
> 3.0.0RC2. It would be nice if I could update individual parts or if
> the team would at least update 1.1.3 with a later version of
> Claws-mail.

The Gpg4win version 2 will have an updated version of Claws-Mail
as far as I can see. Updating 1.1.3 with a later version of Claws
would need somebody doing the work. 

> There are a couple of oddities that I noticed with the
> teams implementation of Claws-mail.  First the application data is
> storing in the default WinNT folder structure,
>
> i.e. C:/Documents and Setting/<username>/Application
> Data/Claws-mail/
>
> which seems logical and appropriate.
> BUT the actual messages are storing under MH folder names in
>
> C:/Documents and Setting/<username>/Application Data/<default account name
> MH>
>
> with all folders and subfolders.  But the designation of
> additional accounts are stored at
>
> C:\Documents and Settings\<username>\Application
> Data\Claws-Mail\Mailboxes\<account 1, 2, 3, etc>
>
> I would have expected to find the message data in the
>
> C:\Documents and Settings\<username>\Application
> Data\Claws-mail\Mailboxes\<account default, 2, 3, 4, etc>
>
> All I can think of is that the MH folders are at a higher level than
> the application data, inorder for other MH applications to access them
> without having to dig down in to the Claws-mail application folder.
> Can anyone on the team verify this odd structure?  Is there a way to
> change the message data storage point?  I've checked my registry and
> can not find any claws-mail application pointers are values
> (interesting).

I guess this is a question for the Claws-people, why things are 
as they are. Maybe doing a test with 1.9.8 (when it's out) to see
if thing have been changed already might be a good start
to get developers to listen.

> Maybe there are pointers in the registry that should be added for to
> allow claws-mail to be the default mail program which Ggp4win version 2
> needs to add. 

Here is some documentation trying to set KDE Kontact as default email
application on Windows. Maybe this is helpful for somebody to find out
what the right settings would be. (A developer level questions I'd say,
so maybe we should continue this on gpg4win-devel at wald.intevation.org.)
http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/MS_Windows#Registry_settings_for_default_apps_and_services

> All this in the hope that more Windows users are
> converting their applications to open source and moving away from
> Microsoft closed source.

More Free Software definately is good! Users will then notice that their 
applications even run nicer on GNU/Linux in the end. :)
Note that with Kontact on Windows there is another contender
for being a good email client on Windows, that uses some of Gpg4win 2
and even offers personal information management:
For a glimpse see: http://www.kolab.org/roadmap.html

Regards,
Bernhard

-- 
Managing Director - Owner: www.intevation.net      (Free Software Company)
Germany Coordinator: fsfeurope.org. Coordinator: www.Kolab-Konsortium.com.
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From waider at waider.ie  Thu Oct  9 16:28:59 2008
From: waider at waider.ie (Ronan Waide)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:28:59 +0100 (IST)
Subject: [Gpg4win-users-en] 1.9.8 beta problems
In-Reply-To: <mailman.17.1223373608.10099.gpg4win-users-en@wald.intevation.org>
References: <mailman.17.1223373608.10099.gpg4win-users-en@wald.intevation.org>
Message-ID: <48733.87.238.80.64.1223562539.squirrel@www.waider.ie>

On Tue, October 7, 2008 11:00,
gpg4win-users-en-request at wald.intevation.org wrote:
> Did you see http://www.gpg4win.de/reporting-bugs.html ?
> Next step is to try to see why GPGOl fails.

I've been stepping through that, yes. I've just done a fresh install of
1.9.8 beta:
- uninstall 1.1.3
- remove registry keys as indicated in the readme file (shouldn't the
installer do this?)
- installed 1.9.8 beta using admin user
- I was not prompted to reboot, although the readme file suggests this may
be necessary
- logged out admin user, logged in my own user, started outlook
- got a dialogue box telling me I was using a new GPGol, and that I should
check settings via Options menu (it's actually Tools->Options->GPGol, but
that's not important)
- set options to PGP/MIME signing by default, since that's what I want.
(no default encryption, no S/MIME)
- compose a new email
- click 'send'

At this point, nothing more happens. The mail does not get sent, and the
only thing I can do is close the sending window.

Rebooted the machine after this to try again, in case that made any
difference; this time, on starting Outlook I got a dialogue box reading:

"The user interface server is not available or does not work. Using an
internal user interface. This is limited to the PGP/MIME protocol and thus
S/MIME protected message are not readable."

This seems to be caused by Kleopatra taking too long to start up, so I
restarted Outlook after Kleopatra was running, and again tried sending a
test email, with the same results as above.

> You should see about the gpgol Debug log.

On gpg4win 1.x, this is configurable through the GPGol tab in Outlook's
options dialog. Where is it in the new version? There's just a button
saying 'Crypto Engine' which brings up the config window for Kleopatra.

>> I'm using Outlook 2007 (12.0.6316.5000) SP1 MSO (12.0.6320.5000)
>
> Which operating system version?

Sorry, forgot to include that in the original mail. Windows XP
Professional Version 2002 SP2.

Cheers,
Waider.
-- 
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From bernhard at intevation.de  Tue Oct 14 09:13:56 2008
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:13:56 +0200
Subject: [Gpg4win-users-en] 1.9.8 beta problems
In-Reply-To: <48733.87.238.80.64.1223562539.squirrel@www.waider.ie>
References: <mailman.17.1223373608.10099.gpg4win-users-en@wald.intevation.org>
	<48733.87.238.80.64.1223562539.squirrel@www.waider.ie>
Message-ID: <200810140913.56536.bernhard@intevation.de>

On Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2008, Ronan Waide wrote:
> On Tue, October 7, 2008 11:00,
>
> gpg4win-users-en-request at wald.intevation.org wrote:
> > Did you see http://www.gpg4win.de/reporting-bugs.html ?
> > Next step is to try to see why GPGOl fails.
>
> I've been stepping through that, yes. 

Thanks, this is very helpful for the analysis.

> I've just done a fresh install of 
> 1.9.8 beta:
> - uninstall 1.1.3
> - remove registry keys as indicated in the readme file (shouldn't the
> installer do this?)

(Yes the installer should do this, but 1.9.8 has not seen all the 
improvement from the migration tests yet, thus we had to put it into
the readme.)

> - installed 1.9.8 beta using admin user
> - I was not prompted to reboot, although the readme file suggests this may
> be necessary

You get prompted sometimes, in the cases that are necessary.
Of course a reboot and retest is always a good idea if you have strange 
behaviour on windows.

> - logged out admin user, logged in my own user, started outlook
> - got a dialogue box telling me I was using a new GPGol, and that I should
> check settings via Options menu (it's actually Tools->Options->GPGol, but
> that's not important)
> - set options to PGP/MIME signing by default, since that's what I want.
> (no default encryption, no S/MIME)

Please try to enable (not select) S/MIME to see if this changes the behaviour
if you savely can.

> - compose a new email
> - click 'send'
>
> At this point, nothing more happens. The mail does not get sent, and the
> only thing I can do is close the sending window.
>
> Rebooted the machine after this to try again, in case that made any
> difference; this time, on starting Outlook I got a dialogue box reading:
>
> "The user interface server is not available or does not work. Using an
> internal user interface. This is limited to the PGP/MIME protocol and thus
> S/MIME protected message are not readable."
>
> This seems to be caused by Kleopatra taking too long to start up, so I
> restarted Outlook after Kleopatra was running, and again tried sending a
> test email, with the same results as above.

Yes, good.

> > You should see about the gpgol Debug log.
>
> On gpg4win 1.x, this is configurable through the GPGol tab in Outlook's
> options dialog. Where is it in the new version? There's just a button
> saying 'Crypto Engine' which brings up the config window for Kleopatra.

You need to enable it via the registry, see 24.2 from  
http://gpg4win.de/handbuecher/fehler-in-den-gpg4win-programmen-aufspueren.html
(sorry in German, but here is the summary)
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\GNU\GpgOL
enableDebug to 1 or higher
logFile e.g. to C:\TEMP\gpgol.log.

> >> I'm using Outlook 2007 (12.0.6316.5000) SP1 MSO (12.0.6320.5000)
> >
> > Which operating system version?
>
> Sorry, forgot to include that in the original mail. Windows XP
> Professional Version 2002 SP2.

We have more tests with Outlook 2007 scheduled, so there might be some defects
in there that the OL 2003 does not have.

Bernhard



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Germany Coordinator: fsfeurope.org. Coordinator: www.Kolab-Konsortium.com.
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From rob.macgregor at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 13:33:51 2008
From: rob.macgregor at gmail.com (Rob MacGregor)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:33:51 +0000
Subject: [Gpg4win-users-en] GPG4Win 1.9.[89], Outlook 200[37],
	Vista - not quite working
Message-ID: <43ea8d070810310533m5d1908care3a7f9276d81152d@mail.gmail.com>

Background: I've been using GPG4Win 1.1.x for a while now without
problems under Outlook 2003 on Vista (and XP before).  1.1.3 still
works just fine, but I thought I'd test the new betas

I upgraded to 1.9.8 (removing registry keys as documented) with 2003
and found I couldn't sign or encrypt anything, but a quick look at the
list archive showed that others had seen this with 2003.  I decided to
use this as an opportunity (hah) to switch to Outlook 2007 since I've
been putting that off for far too long now.  I de-installed 1.9.8 and
Outlook 2003, rebooted, installed Outlook 2007 and then GPG4Win 1.9.8.
 The basic functions seemed to work, but I could no longer access any
mail in secondary mailboxes ("Cannot open this item.  You do not have
sufficient permission...").  Noticing that 1.9.9 was out I
de-installed 1.9.8, rebooted and installed 1.9.9 - same problem.  A
quick downgrade (and reboot) to 1.1.3 and everything works as
expected.

Am I the first to try this setup?  Is there anything I can do to help
identify the problem, keeping in mind that I can't spend all day doing
a de-install, re-install, de-install, re-install cycle - I have to get
some work done or the boss will complain ;)

Thanks

-- 
                 Please keep list traffic on the list.

Rob MacGregor
      Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
        doesn't become a monster.                  Friedrich Nietzsche